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Old 13-01-14, 03:51
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Interesting-looking Panorama for Monday night, where John Hemming MP apparently recommends that parents should go abroad rather than face the family courts in the UK.
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John Hemming MP advises parents to leave the country rather than face the secret family courts.

Panorama: I Want My Baby Back, BBC One, Monday 13 January at 21:00 GMT and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.

Parents should 'go abroad rather than face family courts'

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He said the process was so unfair that parents should leave the country to avoid social services and the courts.

"All the cards are held by the local authority. It has large resources to fight the cases - it does all the assessments," he said.

"My advice to people - if they can afford it - is just to go abroad. You can't get a fair trial here, because you can't rely on the evidence being fair.

"It's best simply to go if you can, at the right time, lawfully."
Naturally Cafcass doesn't agree.

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"We can't play poker with children's safety, we've got to have a system that plays it safe to begin with," said chief executive Anthony Douglas.
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Parents should flee the UK to avoid family courts.

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Parents suspected of child abuse should flee the country rather than face justice in the family courts, one MP has told BBC Panorama....said the system had become unfair to parents. He has been contacted by hundreds of parents suspected of harming their children who are going through the family courts....

"All the cards are held by the local authority. It has large resources to fight the cases - it does all the assessments," he said.
Panorama: I Want My Baby Back, BBC One, Monday 13 January at 21:00 GMT
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"We can't play poker with children's safety, we've got to have a system that plays it safe to begin with," said chief executive Anthony Douglas.
He's right, but clearly the system they currently have does not meet the required standard or it wouldn't be necessary to run. The parents don't consider it safe or they'd stick around.
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The programme is available on i-player until 13 Jan 2015:

http://www.home-education.biz/forum/...uote=1&p=62113

Towards the end of the programme they quoted Sir James Mumby, president of the Family Division of the High Court who said in this Telegraph article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ly-courts.html

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. . . in the absence of the death penalty, removing a child from their parents is one of the most "drastic" actions a judge can take . . .
There was also a very good point about how decisions are made on the balance of probabilities which means, in practice, that the most likely cause of the abuse can be chosen for the verdict. That's much weaker than 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

That's the shocking thing about the database state and all the information gathering. The cards are all stacked in favour of the state. False information, hearsay, etc can all be used to provide the 'most likely cause'.

So, at the end of the day, all this industrial spying is rounded of by a judicial system stacked in favour of the state.
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